#avengers-end-game

THAT WAS SO GOOD

:heart: :broken_heart:

I know, it’s so bittersweet

Hehe my critical analysis of the movie can be summed up with: That movie was _America's ass_. (Take that as you will.)

Best ass ever

Love America... :flag-us:

In all honesty: the charge of the female superheroes at the end, good or too much?

They charged but didn’t do :poop:

Thought Cap Marvel is gonna rip off his hand

I was actually really glad that Capt Marvel couldn’t defeat him either.

Doctor Strange should have just replayed the scene from infinity wars where all the super heros were on Thanos trying to pull the hand off of him when star lord messed up and couldn’t control his emotions.

Right? Like all they had to do was keep Star Lord from being an idiot and they would have won, at least that round.

Honestly, was a little disappointed Cap didn’t give his life for the good of all. I was ready to cry my eyes out.... I don’t think it was a good character resolution. :confused:

feminist rant: HEY MARVEL- YOUR FEMALE CHARGE DOESN’T MAKE UP FOR THE FACT THERE IS ONLY ONE FEMALE ORIGIN STORY MOVIE.

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Jordan Hush

Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 11:09 PM

They did set up Stature and the next Hawkeye in this movie though, both of those are female

Jordan Hush

Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

and there’s the Black Widow movie next year

Bethany Hull

Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

I am looking forward to those- though it is late.

Truth. Also, while the passing of the Captain America from white man to black man was a little oddly performed (the hands scene had odd undertones), I'm glad it was done in the end. Props to marvel for at least moving toward racial diversity. But I'd say they're making progress on gender diversity a bit too slowly.

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Jordan Hush

Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 11:08 PM

This is the progression from the comics

Jordan Hush

Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 11:08 PM

Falcon was Captain America for a while out of the end of the Civil War comics

(Black Panther did a good job)

Okay ... Now that someone else opened the floor to criticism... Here's my honest yet probably unpopular opinion: I say "That movie was _America's ass_." because it was good to see and all (and everybody is really into ass lately -- Zeitgeist shift in perception of beauty perhaps) but I'm still more of a boobs guy.... And by that I mean that the movie appealed to the masses and delivered just about what might have been expected, but it wasn't cinematic gold and it doesn't really deserve to break every movie record ever like it has. The hype is deserved, because no other series has had so many films leading to that moment. But the film itself was just... Good. Not great. It's apparently the quintessential American film. But that's a little disappointing to me. The film was primarily intended to be both action and comedy. It delivered both to a good degree, but not exceptionally. As for the action, there was cool fight scenes and explosions, but the plot struggled to keep so many gee dang characters involved. You can only focus on so many people in any scene. You can't have 500 protagonists. They did a good job in the first half by following the lead of, say, Lord of the Rings, which does a great job of dividing the story into chapters to follow of individual character stories. By that I mean, you can follow along with several characters if you give them all separate scenes then bridge those together. When everyone was going back in time to grab the stones, the writers did a great job there. The big group was broken down into bite sized morsels of stories. When the second half of the movie hit, you were thinking about way too many characters being in the single giant fight scene to feel satisfied watching just one character trying to fight Thanos. I was always left wondering, "Wait, where's that other character? Didn't he just get thrown down? What's taking him so long to get back up? And what's she doing while this is happening?" Those questions can't be resolved if all the characters are in the same scene and you only film 2 or 3 characters in a shot at a time. The scene has to unfold in real time and everyone is left wondering what the other characters are doing off frame. As for comedy, the film did a fantastic job of delivering dialogue jokes and the image of fat Thor. But... When it comes to cinematic comedy, there's so much more to be wanted. There's more to a film than the audio. Jokes can be made visually. So much is possible with visual comedy... Instead of me going on about this, imma post a video in a thread. ^^ this disappoint extends in generally to wishing there was more cinematic art in visual framing, lighting, coloring, movement.... To be fair, I'm a film critique looking for these things. Everyone else was just wanted a dope ending to this huge awesome series. And that's what they got. I got the feeling that "wow, this is America's most popular and most loved film right now, but it lacks cinematic art." It's a lot like a pop song. This movie was like the biggest pop song of our time. The pop song gave the people what they love, but there's no artistic endeavors of "harmony, instrumentation, or unique rhythm"... I guess I mean to say... Overall, it is a good film. I enjoyed it, mostly. But the film critic in me wanted more from the most anticipated movie of all time and the biggest record breaker.

Here's a guy explaining great visual comedy in cinema: https://youtu.be/3FOzD4Sfgag He uses Edgar Wright as the champion of visual comedy, which is well-deserved. After this YouTube video was made, Edgar Wright also broke out of comedy and killed it with an absolutely phenomenal action film: Baby Driver. Every shot, every frame, every light, every color, every movement, and every snippet of audio is perfectly intentional to bring about true cinematic art.

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Jordan Hush

Wed, May 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

My very extended response: While I am not a certified critic in cinematic art, I have to say I also disagree a little with @David Hartsough from a comic perspective. I’ve been in to Marvel comics for a long time, and from my perspective, the movie had its priorities in the right order. 1. Overarching story. This film wrapped up so many characters in meaningful ways and it took you along for the ride. 2. individual plot lines. They had intentional plot lines for each of the major characters and still made room for character development on each front (exception Black Widow because no matter who died right there it would have felt untimely and unfair) 3. Visuals. While there may not have been extended single-shots, fancy zooms, or special camera angles, it had some amazing visuals and the current shot fit with the mood they wished to convey. The fight scenes were also well done IMO and I thoroughly enjoyed the combat scenes. 4. Action. The staple of the comic books for all these main characters is action, displaying their powers and putting their heroic efforts on display. There was plenty of that in this film and it did not feel overdone, especially when we saw so many great examples of heroes utilizing there powers in many different ways. 5. Comedy. While it may not have been the comedy of the century, there was plenty of comedy throughout the movie, and it felt well-balanced with the sad parts of the movie as well. Balancing tragedy and comedy in a movie with this scale is certainly an impressive feat. 6. Dialogue. With the exception of a few lines, I thought the dialogue from every character was well-written and well-delivered. It gave us that little taste from each person that we wanted. While this was compared to a pop song, I would say that some people might be comparing a rock ballad to classical/orchestra music. Or a work of fiction to an autobiography. Apples and oranges. I think it has done so many things that other films in the past have yet to accomplish: balancing many characters/storylines, a far-reaching plot (in a film setting vs a television show), and successful translation of comics to film. While some may say the beat of the song is simplistic, there’s so many more layers to this film and all the films that came before. To say this film has no artistic endeavors is, in my opinion, a little short-sighted.

David Hartsough

Wed, May 1, 2019, 6:20 PM

Yo! I appreciate the equally lengthy reply! Good thoughts my dude. Fair points. I'm realizing it really comes down to expectations. I went into that film wanting and expecting something rather different from what, say, you or Shree were looking for.

David Hartsough

Wed, May 1, 2019, 6:21 PM

My appreciation for film is oddly specific, so I can't speak for a general audience in the slightest. I have a particular taste I suppose! (And it's not always America's ass, although I did enjoy it!)

Jordan Hush

Thu, May 2, 2019, 9:48 AM

Thanks for the response! I do appreciate your point of view, it definitely helped me break down elements of the movie, why I liked it and why I appreciated certain elements of the movie. You’re right on the front that it’s not a masterpiece. I think you’re right, it does come down to expectations. I certainly thought it was a great movie, but I think it was a little over-hyped. It definitely plays on emotion quite a bit throughout the movie and hits you with some great surprises, I think time will tell if the movie stays a great movie. Star Wars 8 is a great example of a movie that was great the first few times but loses its quality because it was focused on plot elements that do not make it timeless.

David Hartsough

Thu, May 2, 2019, 10:23 AM

Oh dude. The first Disney Star Wars also is a great example of something so hyped that it had to just satisfy the audience and try not to upset or disappoint anyone... To the point of just introducing new characters but reintroducing an old plot: "Remember the death star? It's like that but super bigger!" Altogether that was a good movie too! But somewhat disappointing in that it wasn't a "masterpiece" so to say... I feel similarly with endgame: it's a real good movie that satisfies and delivers everything it needed to. But for being the most recording breaking movie of all time, I do expect a "masterpiece", as you say.

Jordan Hush

Thu, May 2, 2019, 10:46 AM

I think is movie is certainly much better than either episode 7 or 8. I am curious to see if the movie will be good in the future since some of the things that made it good in theaters were surprises that won’t be the same watching this a second or third time.

David Hartsough

Thu, May 2, 2019, 10:47 AM

Yeah! I've been wondering the same. Totally agree

David Hartsough

Thu, May 2, 2019, 10:48 AM

I think I'd prefer this movie over the latest star wars if I had to watch one again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

David Hartsough

Thu, May 2, 2019, 10:49 AM

But the point being that both are a long series. Typically, long series of movies can be a bit of a drag. But I have to hand it to marvel for killing the game here

Oh. But also. _I am inevitable._

Pushing back against @David Hartsough. I know I was critical, because that's how my brain works. :upside_down_face: But I do think Endgame was extremely well done, and the best movie marvel has ever made- and a fitting ending to the avengers series. I don't think it was meant to be an action/comedy film. I think it was meant to wrap up the character arcs of the original avengers and their relationships, and in that regard, I found it emotionally satisfying.

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James Soderberg

Wed, May 1, 2019, 11:43 AM

Exactly. The comedy was intentional but not the overall intention of the film.

David Hartsough

Wed, May 1, 2019, 6:23 PM

Fair call! I see that. I think I had different expectations going into that movie. It was certainly necessary and it did exactly what it needed to do! And to that end, it did it well.

I’m here only for this

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That’s about all i understood from the film. Thanks. Bai.

@James Soderberg shared this with me, and I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Best satirical critical commentary I've seen of this film. So good. https://youtu.be/HRqsC4UuY_A