#design

Have you tried the text from the second option on the background on the first option?

yee. the white text isn't really legible on that background since there's those goofy white bubbles and lines all over

Another question why is the @ symbol in the first design but not in the others

well, technically that's how TEDx sets their standards for how it should be named. but since it's just a logo image, I don't have to include the @ in the design. The technical name for it _is_ TEDxYouth@Boise

Like, there's a TEDxYouth@Austin and TEDxYouth@Tokyo

that's just the naming convention

Gotcha sorry I went researcher mode on you there

allll goood! I love questions

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I like #3, mostly because I don’t understand what the background image does for the logo.

yee. I feel that. I tried an all black one, and it look wayyy better with some texture instead of all black background.

youth like minimalism

heh. youths. also, the background image has subconscious association with TED talks.. so that's a plus

dang.... everybody has different opinions. even strangers... haha bummer

Also - black never goes out of style, so keep that in mind.

But I’m 100% not a designer. so not sure how helpful my thoughts might be.

but you ART

Those two things are related, but not necessarily the same thing.

If you keep the image, use the top one, what’s it look like without the white transparent square behind the letters? It’s _too_ much, I think,

Actually wait. If this is a profile pic, do the big letter version

Otherwise it might be too hard to read

oh wow yeah small. u rit

there are no kids in that design

how will they know it is for the youth?

is there any slang you can throw in there? like a Yeet or two?

think of the children

add more crayons

maybe show a diaper somewhere?

https://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/09/the-difference-between-art-and-design/

The Difference Between Art and Design

The subject of what separates art and design is convoluted and has been debated for a long time.Artists and designers both create visual compositions using a shared knowledge base, but their reasons

It’s a fascinating idea, I think.

(also, I don’t necessarily agree with everything in these articles. For example, I think design _can_ cause controversy, if that’s its goal)

CONTROVERSIAL

is _THIS_ art?! or design?!

wat are you doing lauren.

This is art by design

you did this by art.

plz don't art in this channel. :male-police-officer:

Fine

_lauren leaves #design_

well... lemme ask this... is all design art? is all art design? which would be a more appropriate channel name?

No. They’re not mutually exclusive, but they’re certainly not the same. I think you can have some art in design, and you can have some design in art. But there are a lot of really key differences that keep them separate

Art tends to be for the artist. Design tends to be for the viewer/user.

Art is open to interpretation, but design often must be more straight forward, since it’s serving a specific purpose

are those people ever the same? (artist = viewer)

They can be, but an artist as a viewer is a different type of viewer than, say, someone walking around in an art gallery

The second link outlines a lot of good differences between the two

art inspires, design motivates. art is interpreted, design is understood. (I don’t agree with them all like art is talent and design is skill… mmm no)

I like the idea that art can mean something different to each viewer, evoking different feelings, emotions, etc… where as design should evoke the _same_ thing, whatever that may be.

huh. i think, by definition, design is intentional, purposeful, planned, etc. whereas art is... confused. hahaha kidding. art is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination."

Yeah. Design has a pretty explicit purpose for why it exists. Art is much more nebulous or wide-ranging in it’s purpose.

I'd still argue that all design is art tho.

by that definition

I am _not_ a designer, because I’m never very intentional with the things I create. I almost never plan things out.

Maybe it’s like how a Square is a Rectangle but a Rectangle is not a Square

exactly

squares = design. rectangle = art.

I like trapazoids

^art

** tart

trapazoid-art

trapezoid I can’t spel

heck

maybe i should rename the channel to #art then...

yeah?

Nevertheless, I stand by my idea that art and design are not the same thing. I first delved into this idea because people are confused when I say I’m a terrible designer. And I thought to myself - why am I bad at design? So I went to Google.

Here is something both art and design have in common, no matter what your stance on the two are: Creativity.

#creative or #creativity

oh wow that broooaaad tho. i'm thinking just visual stuff i guess. cuz creativity can be music too.... oh crap... music is art too....

art is confused

But you created the channel - depends on what you want its purpose to be

art doesn't identify

trans-identity

What do you want people to use this channel for? Exclusively design? What if I post a cat meme painting in here? Will I be banned?

:help: :heck:

BANNED

that's trans-channel

#memes #cats-worldwide #art

I made play-doh soap than you can squish into shapes

does that belong in this channel? It’s like sculpture. It’s like confused about it’s state. Is it soap? Is it putty? Is it dough?

If it’s confused, is it art?

I’m confused, so I’m art.

[FRAMED]

:raised_hands: :gun: :oh_no:

:oh_no:

You are welcome!

WELCOME

I already "welcome"ed her!

well, there's the "you are welcome" as in acknowledging the gratitude and appreciation, and then there's the "welcome" as in "come on in, the water's warm. kick off your pants. stay awhile."

I thought there was a need for that second scenario

I like Apple’s sleek and easy design. Even their packaging is attractive. When she’s saying “apple”, though, is she talking about the devices themselves, or how apple’s OS/software looks?

I’m curious about the specific points she’s making. I think apple has cleaned up it’s look dramatically recently. (I way prefer the flat design, to, say the weird shiny 3d stuff they had earlier?) I can confirm Android and Microsoft has upped their game recently, too, but Apple is definitely a forerunner in design. So even if she doesn’t like it now, she can’t deny the influence it had on other products

He was ranting about the website design specifically. I think what I'm struggling with is he has a graphic design background, so he's coming from that side. I am more of a UI/UX person, so for me, I am looking for function and usability, while being aesthetically pleasing and beautiful.

And honestly, he didn't really have "points". He just full on ranted about how boring the site was. But again, I believe it's usability is excellent, it's clean and organized. But as designers...should we be pushing the box and be more daring with website design, if we are going for functionality and usability?

I like the simplicity of Apple. People like the high functionality of other products, which is great for people who need that. But Apple excels in “this is what you need, no frills”.

@Lauren Wilkins "So even if she doesn’t like it now, she can’t deny the influence it had on other products". This was actually one of his points, that Apple has made design so sterile.

But I _fully_ disagree. And I love where website, UI design is going. I love the "flat" organized design.

Hmm yeah, I’d argue, is “sterile” wrong? Minimalism is kinda rampant in this day and age. Look at tiny house movement. Marie Kondo. of course that’s going to reflect in our technology too.

Websites have become functional. You go to a website to get something done. It's no longer an art exhibit, for the most part.

I think “minimal” websites can still be beautiful. Some of my favorites are flat, select colors, clean.

BUT, you can still be really fun with design, in your marketing, etc.

yeah!

It draws the eye TO the content instead of away from the content, when you keep things clean.

exactly!

The company i work for now does really fun stuff with their marketing design, but it's still clean and organized.

My company’s design has gotten somewhat cleaner, but I’m still not a huge fan of it, because it’s _a lot_.

Boy I do miss a lot of the geocities websites that were always under construction, had tons of gifs, and were wild

or your classic conspiracy theory website with flashing green text and repeated texture backgrounds? ahahaha

Oh, certainly, “classic” website design has a special place in our hearts. The kind that made your eyes bleed and your blood pressure go up.

I think were the disconnect with this conversation is, and @rissa pointed it out, is the parallax view between a UI designer looking at something and a graphic designer looking at something

I really enjoy non-functional web design that is interesting, more thought provoking, and provides a new way to interact or be repelled

agreed, but there is a time and place for that.

I guess I was frustrated that he was ranting about functionality and organization, as this is a UX/UI design course..

and I would say that there is never a "time and place" for those things; that they can co-exist. For instance, there is quite a difference in intention and approach to a personal website trying new web technologies and design techniques, vs an e-commerce/business site

not mutually exclusive

fair point.

I just used a colorful and very busy website while I was trying to view results from a biometric screening. There was so much information and they tried to make it fun with all these graphics, but there were lots of bugs, things overlapped. It was SO hard to navigate…. that’s an example of the wrong time and place for fun.

like http://zombo.com|zombo.com

yeah, exactly.

yeah biometric results is NOT the time or place for fun, cutting-edge, graphic design

or less usability

LOL

that is really hilarious where form and function are at odds

....sweet lord.

AND auto-play music?!

Bless whoever thought to put the little speaker icon on tabs so you could tell where the darned music was coming from.

That’s a _True_ internet hero

_that_ is a UX designer's idea, for sure. hahaha

@rissa historically, Apple and Microsoft dragged behind with good design patterns, guides, and principles. When Google released Material Design guidelines back in the day, there was a popular opinion among designers that _that_ was the best way to go and Apple needed to step up its game. I've also had a UI/UX teacher express grievances about Apple, but my class was within the context of mobile app design.

Apple has come a long way even in the past few years: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/

So a few years ago, Google set the bar high: https://material.io/design/introduction/#principles

Introduction

Material Design is a system for building bold, beautiful, and consistent digital products.

(whoa, here comes the Google fanboy)

But actually, I like Google. My little Chromebook is 10/10 fantastic

And most mobile designers and developers were like ":whoa: this is the bee's knees my dudes" and complained that Apple's iOS guidelines were trash... Lemme see if I can find their guidelines a few years ago with the Way back machine

(hey, I haven't expressed a single opinion myself yet; I'm just sharing my experiences.)

That Material Design website is fantASTIC

I actually think that a number of Intuit products and their website are well designed. I have access to their style guide and it’s very well outlined, clean, etc etc.

late to the party but.... white space. I need more white space.

My first thoughts: - needs visual breaks (so many words) - keep a consistent font

Because your logo doesn’t have color, I’d be careful with using a color.

do you think a border-like line counts as a "visual break"?

It’s not words, so yes. A line tricks the eyes into a “rest”. I add lines in my documentation for that reason. It breaks it up from being a wall of text. You have a lot more flexibility in web design

So, the interesting thing about this is that I tried to replicate Wikipedia style, since, well, it's extremely "successful" and used by everyone around the world... But it didn't really occur to me that people would believe that Wikipedia's design could be improved upon. ... so that has me asking people about what they think about Wikipedia's design

Headers are not ever links (different colored headers… I think that’s where the font discrepancy is for me)

Also - I feel like you’ve seen this - but I didn’t know Wikipedia had a Manual of Style! Radical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style

What’s your favorite font?

Nevermind, that’s a hard question. But I had a professor who told us her favorite font was Helvetica and that’s when I realized fonts were cool and typography was important.

Segoe UI, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Fira Sans, Droid Sans

Helvetica was the font of the internet about 5-10 years ago. Still is for a vast majority of the world wide web

Not sure how old this guy is, but he says that Homestarrunner was _just_ before his time...... Dear god. I'm 25 and that _definitely_ was "a bonding point for my friends growing up". I feel like, if this guy had DSL, an AIM account, or a Xanga, then he had to have not "missed out". I guess I'm confused as to how old this guy is. He has to be younger than me.

He says he’s 23 in the article. I missed out on all this, simply because my dad didn’t let us poke around on the internet. _Womp_

Honestly, I feel like he did "miss out" and is still "missing out" haha. I do agree with what he's saying on the whole. But there are still some internet gems to be found if you know the right sources... (Take Crows Crows Crows, for example, who just released "The Club", which is hilarious and amazing. All of their online content is terrific and doesn't care about standards or rules.)

It is the internet, after all.

Huh. > "I envy those who were able to experience them for the first time." Yeah, it is sad he wasn't around for the "first time". But while some sites die, many still exist and can be experienced yet

Even without the wayback machine

This definitely feels like a "those were the good old days and I am just sad" post hahaha. But I think it's funny because the internet itself (HTML, CSS, JS) hasn't changed fundamentally, so he's just as capable as ever to create wild west content with personality. Sometimes we award people for this still, like the Webby Awards. https://www.webbyawards.com/ (gotta dig through the mainstream stuff to find gems)

Home

The leading international award honoring excellence on the Internet.

And that was created in part by a guy who is still making ridiculous content with personality: ze frank http://www.zefrank.com/

Bless the Internet

Haha I guess I'm wishing he wrote this as a call to action of "hey, I wanna take the time to celebrate and pay tribute to the amazing pieces of the internet out there with personality! Let's make more of that!" Instead of "everything used to be cool, but now I just look at social media all day and that's it so I'm bummed"

I didn’t read it like that, I just read it as an interesting examination of how the internet evolves

Also, like, this guy should really get into memes. Because that is a side of the internet that exists and is very much it’s own thing.

You should re-write the article.

:oof: that's such a big topic

You should release your mememetics paper into the wild west of the internet

the internet is a prime example of mimesis.

(sorry if I misrepresented this author and his work. I think I was still recovering from the terrifying notion that a writer from Invision just said that Homestarrunner was before his time. I'm not that old. Or am I? Wut.)

(you may be that Old in InternetYears)

@Jesse Fusselman... I may need to pay your pets royalties for their images if I use them

I like the ones with the cat and dog… It just kinda says “killin me kid” to me lol.

Haha deal! I am digging the design. I like the first one and the last one the most but what do you think about photoshopping out the house in the background and tossing in blue sky or a sunset?